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A regular meeting of the City Council of the City ~f Clermont was held Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at
Jenkins Auditorium. Mayor Hal Turville called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. with the following Council
Members present: Council Members Ash, Caputo, Mullins and Renick. Other City officials present were City
Manager Saunders, City Attorney Guthrie, Planning Director Brown, City Engineer Richardson and Deputy
City Clerk Studdard.
INVOCATION
Council Member Caputo gave the invocation, followed by the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance by all
present.
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A motion was made bv Council Member Renick, seconded by Council Member Mullins,
and carried unanimously to approve the minutes of the Regular Council Meeting held
November 26, 2002.
REPORTS
City Manager Saunders
City Manager Saunders reminded the City Council of its workshop meeting to be held December 19, 2002 at
6:00 p.m. at the Police Department Community SerVices Room and suggested that they schedule another
workshop on December 16, 2002 at the same time and place in order to accommodate all items of discussion.
It was the consensus of the City Council to schedule the workshop for December 16, 2002.
City Manager Saunders then stated that Lake County had called earlier today and can meet in a joint workshop
either on the morning of January 23 or January 24, 2002. He suggested that the meeting take place at the Lake
Sumter Community College South Lake campus.
It was the consensus to schedule this joint workshop with Lake County for the morning of January 24, 2002.
City Manager Saunders also reminded the City Council that the regular meeting of December 24, 2002 was
cancelled.
Council Member Mullins
Council Member Mullins stated that the Christmas parade held this past weekend downtown went well and
that the downtown area looks very nice.
Mayor Turville
Mayor TurVille distributed copies of letters he had received from Nancy Fullerton on behalf of Alliance to
Protect Water Resources, Inc. regarding the old sand mine property west of the City on State Road 50 and their
Palatlakaha River concems associated with this project. He suggested that the City Council discuss this issue
further at a workshop meeting.
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City of Clermont
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A regular meeting of the City Council of the City of Clermont was held Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at
Jenkins Auditorium. Mayor Hal Turville called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. with the following Council
Members present: Council Members Ash, Caputo, Mullins and Renick. Other City officials present were City
Manager Saunders, City Attorney Guthrie, Planning Director Brown, City Engineer Richardson and Deputy
City Clerk Studdard.
INVOCATION
Council Member Caputo gave the invocation, followed by the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance by all
present.
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~4 motion was made bp Council Member Renick, seconded by Council Member Mullins,
and carried unanimously to approve the minutes of the Regular Council Meeting held
November 26, 2002.
REPORTS
City Manager Saunders
City Manager Saunders reminded the City Council of its workshop meeting to be held December 19, 2002 at
6:00 p.m. at the Police Department Community Services Room and suggested that they schedule another
workshop on December 16, 2002 at the same time and place in order to accommodate all items of discussion.
It was the consensus of the City Council to schedule the workshop for December 16, 2002.
City Manager Saunders then stated that Lake County had called earlier today and can meet in a joint workshop
either on the morning of January 23 or January 24, 2002. He suggested that the meeting take place at the Lake
Sumter Community College South Lake campus.
It was the consensus to schedule this joint workshop with Lake Cotmty for the morning of January 24, 2002.
City Manager Saunders also reminded the City Council that the regular meeting of December 24, 2002 was
cancelled.
Council Member Mullins
Council Member Mullins stated that the Christmas parade held this past weekend downtown went well and
that the downtown area looks very nice.
Mayor Turville
Mayor Turville distributed copies of letters he had received from Nancy Fullerton on behalf of Alliance to
Protect Water Resources, Inc. regarding the old sand mine property west of the City on State Road 50 and their
Palatlakaha River concerns associated with this project. He suggested that the City Council discuss this issue
further at a workshop meeting.
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Council Member Caputo then asked the Council if anyone would be available to speak at the Kings Ridge
monthly meeting on December 12, 2002.
Council Member Renick stated she would do so.
CONSENT AGENDA
Mayor Turville asked if anyone wished to pull any of the items of the Consent Agenda for discussion.
Item 1 -
Item 2 -
Item 3 -
Item 4 -
Item 5 -
Irrigation Lab Contract
Downtown Drainage Improvements
Change Order
Indian River Industrial Contractors
Change Order
Hartman & Associates
Request for Reimbursement
Approval
Springstead Engineering
East Side Reclamation Facility
Consumptive Use Permit Application
Request for reimbursement of field usage fee for
East Ridge High School on November 23, 2002
Council Member Renick pulled Item 2 for discussion. Council Member Ash pulled Item 4 for discussion.
A motion was made by Council Member Mullins, seconded by Council Member Caputo,
and carried unanimously to approve Items 1, 3 and 5 of the Consent Agenda.
Consent Agenda Item 2 - Downtown Drainage Improvements - Springstead Engineering
City Manager Saunders stated that drainage problems not anticipated but created by the curbing and planters as
a part of the Downtown Streetscape construction are located on Eighth Street about mid block between Desoto
Street and Montrose Street and at the comer of West Avenue and Montrose Street. He stated that City Engineer
Richardson recommends in her memo that Springstead Engineering address and recommend the proper
modifications.
Council Member Renick asked if the contractor is liable for this problem.
City Manager Saunders stated this is not a design flaw or mistake. He stated that he had originally assumed
this to be an engineer problem but then realized this could not have been anticipated with the retrofit and that
we would have been charged for additional work if this had been realized up front.
Mayor Turville asked Staffto keep the property owners involved informed.
A motion was made bp Council Member Caputo, seconded by Council Member Mullins,
and carried unanimously to approve Item 2 of the Consent Agenda.
Consent Agenda Item 4 - Change Order- Hartman & Associates - Consumptive Use Permit Application
Council Member Ash asked if this would be the final bill for this item.
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City Manager Saunders stated it would be. He stated the City had anticipated that the Consumptive Use Permit
renewal process would take 6 months but it had taken 18 months. He stated that City Engineer Richardson had
reviewed the billing on an hourly basis for accuracy.
A motion was made by Council Member Ash, seconded by Council Member MulIins,
and carried unanimously to approve Item 4 of the Consent Agenda.
UNFINISI-I~D BUSINESS
Ordinance No. 460-M - Introduction
Resolution 1297
Mayor Turville read the ordinance by title only.
City Manager Saunders stated this is a request for annexation of approximately 64.5 acres located west of U.S.
27, south of The Legends subdivision.
A motion was made by Council Member Mullins, seconded by Council Member Caputo,
and carried unanimously to introduce Ordinance No. 460-M.
City Manager Saunders then recommended that Resolution No. 1297, the request for Conditional Use Permit
to allow the addition of the approximate 64.5 acres as shown under Ordinance No. 460-M, be tabled to the
meeting of January 28, 2003 to allow time for the Planning & Zoning Commission to hear the request. He
suggested that the final reading of Ordinance No. 460.M be tabled to the meeting of January 28, 2003 so that
both requests can be heard at the same time.
A motion was made by Council Member Mullins, seconded by Council Member Caputo,
and carried unanimously to table Ordinance No. 460-M and Resolution No. 1297 to the
meeting of January 28, 2003.
Variance Request - Jimmy D. Crawford
Planning Director Brown stated the request is for a variance to allow a 50 foot habitable and a 55 foot total
building height for the Holiday Inn Express at 1810 South U.S. 27 rather than the 35 foot habitable and 45 foot
total height allowed by Code. He stated the applicant is proposing to construct a 5 story, 35 room addition at
the rear of the current project and displayed an overhead depiction of the site.
Planning Director Brown spoke regarding this request for variance to the height limit as opposed to past
variances that have been granted. He stated that other projects were not adjacent to residential areas but this
one is. He then spoke regarding letters of opposition received fi:om neighboring properties.
Mayor Turville opened the public hearing at this time.
Jimmy Crawford of Gray, Harris & Robinson, P.A., 1380 Grand Highway, legal representative for the
applicant, displayed a site depiction and stated the original plan approved for this site included landscaping and
parking for this expansion. He stated that the 35 room planned addition would reach the parking capacity for
the site. He stated that no rear entry, parking or windows are planned to lessen the noise. He spoke regarding
their willingness to provide additional buffering and stated that technically the request is for one foot over the
limit on the upside.
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Mr. Crawford then distributed letters of support from the South Lake Chamber of Commerce, the South Lake
Economic Development Council and the Department of Economic Development and Tourism and spoke
regarding them.
Deputy City Clerk Studdard swore in the following:
Terry Knorr-March, 2299 Lakeview Avenue, General Manager of the Holiday Inn Express, spoke regarding
the need for more space and regarding her efforts on behalf of the community. She stated she would work with
the City Council to add landscaping or any other requirement and commented she would prefer to add 35
rooms to the existing site rather than build a new hotel.
Mr. Crawford stated he understood the concerns of the neighbors but that this project will have a visual impact
no matter what. He stated that the project will be completed with this addition.
Discussion followed regarding the neighboring property owners' visual impact from this addition and
regarding rooftop design.
Council Member Ash asked how many rooms can be built if the project meets Code requirements.
Mr. Crawford stated that the same number of rooms can be built with a different roof but to drop a floor would
lose seven rooms.
Mayor Turville asked if parking on the site is sufficient.
Discussion followed regarding parking.
City Manager Saunders verified that sufficient parking would be provided.
Mayor Turville stated concerns that the neighboring residential properties could decrease in value and asked if
the parking lot elevation would be at the neighbors' rooftops.
Rick McCoy, McCoy & Associates, 713 West Montrose Street, engineer for the project, stated the Mayor's
estimation regarding elevation is accurate and spoke regarding retaining walls, landscape buffers and driveway
changes.
Mayor Turville asked how close this would be to the closest neighbor.
City Manager Saunders stated from the driveway there would be a 10 foot landscape buffer, then a retaining
wall and then a 3/1 slope.
Mayor Turville closed the public heating at this time.
Discussion followed regarding this request versus similar approved variances in the past.
Mayor Turville stated that the closest neighbor won't get sunshine until approximately 11:00 a.m. every day.
Council Member Caputo stated this request is to allow the addition of 3 feet since they have the ability to build
at 45 feet according to Code.
Mayor Turville asked if the Conditional Use Permit would be amended.
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Planning Director Brown stated there was no Conditional use Permit needed or granted.
Council Member Renick clarified that the variance is for more than 3 feet as suggested by Council Member
Caputo.
City Manager Saunders stated they could only build to 35 feet without a variance.
Council Member Caputo stated they can build to 45 feet at the roof and that the external visible difference is
only a few feet.
Discussion followed regarding the appearance of the addition.
Mr. Crawford concurred with Council Member Caputo that visually the difference is minute and stated that
economically the difference is huge.
Council Member Renick asked if the reason for Staff's recommendation of denial is because of possible future
problems.
Planning Director Brown stated that granting this variance would not set a precedent.
City Attorney Guthrie stated that each variance is heard on its own merits.
Discussion followed regarding the appearance of the proposed addition, particularly the roof.
Council Member Ash stated she would have less difficulty approving 48 feet than 55 feet.
Council Member Caputo asked Planning Director Brown if he would still be opposed to this use if it met Code.
Planning Director Brown stated he would not.
Council Member Mullins suggested that the City Council approve an overall height of 45 feet and delete the
habitable portion of the variance. He stated this would not change the outside appearance while offering the
possibility of 35 rooms under roof.
City Manager Saunders suggested that the City Council grant a variance of 45.5 feet in height overall,
habitable or not, to match the existing building on the site.
.4 motion was made by Council Member Caputo, seconded bp Council Member Mullins,
and carried bp a vote of three to two to approve a variance to allow 45 feet, 6 inches
of overall height, with Mayor Turville and Council Member Renick being opposed.
VISITORS WITH BUSINESS
Lost Lake Reserve - Request for Formal Motion
City Manager Saunders stated that at the City Council meeting of November 26, 2002 a motion was made to
approve Resolution No. 1294, a request for a Conditional Use Permit to allow mass grading and to allow a
single retail establishment to occupy more than 100,000 square feet of retail space for the Lost Lake Reserve
development. He stated that this motion failed by a vote of three to two. He stated that the City has received a
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letter from Cecelia Bonifay of Akerman, Senterfitt as representative of the Lost Lake Reserve requesting that
the City Council make a second, formal motion of denial. City Manager Saunders spoke regarding his as well
as City Attorney Guthrie's position that there is no need for an additional motion, as stated in their memos.
City Manager Saunders then stated that the Conditional Use Permit should be readdressed in a timely manner
as certain minor amendments and grading plan adjustments are necessary in order to comply with the
Development of Regional Impact requirements and the Citrus Tower Boulevard road plans.
Mayor Turville stated he had asked City Attorney Guthrie at the November 26, 2002 meeting how best to
proceed after the vote in order to allow the applicants to work with Staff and bring the request back to City
Council.
City Attorney Guthrie recommended that Resolution No. 1294 be placed on the January 28, 2003 City Council
agenda and suggested that the applicants would have the ability to revise the request. He stated that while he
disagrees with Ms. Bonifay's argument that another motion is needed, the motion and resulting vote of the last
meeting allows the City Council to place the item back on the agenda without further advertising requirements
since a portion of that resolution must be heard.
Council Member Renick asked if there is an obligation to hear the request again.
City Attorney Guthrie stated that procedurally the resolution failed or was not adopted since the motion did not
pass. He stated that the City Council has the discretion to hear Ms. Bonifay's comments along with those of
Staff in order to make a determination.
Council Member Caputo clarified that portions of the Conditional Use Permit must be considered i.n order for
the project to move forward.
Council Member Renick asked if the exact resolution has to be brought back.
City Manager Saunders stated the option he suggested was to place the same request on the January 28, 2003
meeting agenda so that the City Council could readdress or modify it as needed. He stated that Staff wishes to
bring it back in order to finish what was approved for the Development Order, which would allow Citrus
Tower Boulevard and the development to move forward.
City Attorney Guthrie stated that procedurally the Planning & Zoning Commission would not need to hear the
request again since it would be the same request.
Mayor Turville clarified that it would be up to the applicants what to bring back, which would determine what
process they would go through.
Cecilia Bonifay stated that after hearing the discussion tonight and an earlier review of the minutes of the
November 26, 2002 meeting, they wish to meet with Staff and bring the same request to the meeting of
January 28, 2003 in order to address the compliance issues necessary for the Development Order. She stated
they would also bring additional information regarding the grading request and possibly be able to show more
user information for the single retail big box.
Council Member Renick stated she does not wish to hear the elements of the resolution that were the reason for
the original denial again.
Discussion followed regarding this issue.
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City Manager Saunders stated that the difference is timing. He stated that the applicants can reapply and bring
the request back in 2 to 3 months or the City Council can hear it at the January meeting as requested.
A motion was made by Council Member Caputo, seconded by Council Member Mullins,
and carried unanimously to place Resolution No. 1294 on the City Council agenda of
January 28 2003.
NEW BUSINESS
Lake County - Joint Planning
Mayor Turville read a letter proposed by Council Member Renick to Lake County Board of County
Commissioners Chairman Welton Cadwell requesting a joint workshop to discuss joint planning issues and
requesting that the Board postpone land use decisions at our borders until after that workshop could be held.
Council Member Renick stated that Lake County has agreed to a joint workshop meeting in January but that
the letter is important since the agenda for the December 17, 2002 Board of County Commissioners contains a
great deal of land use requests that could impact the City greatly.
Discussion followed regarding the timing and delivery of the letter.
Council Member Renick suggested that City Manager Saunders attend the December 17, 2002 Board of
County Commissioners meeting as well.
Mayor Turville suggested that a closing salutation be added and suggested a change to the last sentence of the
letter.
Council Member Mullins stated that since the language of the letter requests that all land use decisions at our
borders be postponed until such time as a joint planning agreement can be executed, the City Council should
discuss when that might occur.
City Manager Saunders stated that the Board could change their policy decision at any time between now and
then.
City Attomey Guthrie concurred with that assessment.
Mayor Turville stated the letter is a request that expresses the City's concern.
Doug Doudney, 824 N. Highland Avenue, Orlando, spoke as part owner of property on Hartwood Marsh Road
regarding his request for a Land Use Amendment being on the December 17, 2002 Board of County
Commissioners agenda. He stated that he has been in this process for one and a half years and to delay the
request would be onerous.
Mayor Turville cautioned that discussion should remain with the letter itself regarding future land use issues
and expressed his doubt that the County Commission will take action on the letter.
Cecelia Bonifay spoke regarding the history of joint planning at the Lake County level and regarding specific
requests to be heard by the County Commission on December 17, 2002.
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Charlie Weatherbee, 2120 the Crescent, spoke regarding a water retention problem at his property on the
comer of West Avenue and Montrose Street as a result of the new streetscape construction.
Mayor Turville stated that approval was given earlier this evening for Springstead Engineering to address this
problem.
Nancy Fullerton, 368 Montrose Street, spoke as President of Alliance to Protect Water Resources, Inc. and
encouraged the City Council to sign the letter.
Council Member Mullins stated he was uncomfortable with the idea of asking the County Commission to table
land use requests until the execution of a joint planning agreement since we have been waiting 12 years for it.
A motion was made by Council Member Caputo, seconded by Council Member Ash, and
carried by a vote of four to one to send the letter, amended to including a closing salutation,
with Council Member Mullins being the opposing vote.
Lake Utilities, Inc. - Legal Services
City Manager Saunders stated that the City Council had given Staff direction earlier in the year to send a letter
of objection to the Public Service Commission regarding the Lake Utilities, Inc. request to expand its service
area. He stated that the City will need additional counsel in order to respond appropriately to requests as the
legal process continues and to represent the City in front of the Public Service Commission. He recommended
that the City Council retain the services of Nabors, Giblin and Nickerson, P.A. upon City Attorney Guthrie's
suggestion.
Mayor Turville suggested that the City Council put a cap on expenditures to require that approval for amounts
above a certain level come back for further approval.
City Attorney Guthrie recommended that the City Council do so as the tempo is expected to pick up early in
2003. He recommended a cap of $10,000 with the requirement that the firm come back to City Council for
authorization of any further expenditures.
Council Member Renick asked if this expenditure is necessary.
City Attomey Guthrie explained that this firm is specialized and is located in Tallahassee.
Discussion followed regarding the properties affected by this application.
Richard Gonzales of Center Lake Properties stated he has three properties he is interested in annexing into the
City and asked for clarification of whether the City Council is interested in bringing his properties into the City
so that he might support who will service these properties.
Mayor Turville stated that the City Council cannot discuss future land use issues and indicated that Mr.
Gonzales' properties will have service from one or the other.
Mr. Gonzales asked if it was the intention of the City to provide service to the Orange County line along State
Road 50.
Mayor Turville stated that earlier it had been the intention of the City, prior to the resource issue.
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A motion was made by Council Member Caputo, seconded by Council Member
Mullins, and carried unanimously to approve legal representation by Nabors,
Giblin and Nickerson, P.A. regarding the Lake Utilities, Inc. matter, with the
requirement of further authorization above $!0,000.
Council Member Ash commented that she drives by the Family Christian Center daily and has noticed they
have their old and new sign up. She further stated that the new sign does not conform to the requirements.
Planning Director Brown stated he would direct the Center to take down the old sign and address the
conformance issue related to the new one.
Mayor Turville stated that the City Council had reached the end of the meeting agenda and asked if anyone
wished to speak on any other issue.
There being no further business, the meeting adjourned at 9:15 p.m.
Hal Turville, May~r